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    December 16, 2012
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through forgiveness. >> we want everyone to know that our hearts and our prayers go out to them. this includes the family of the shooter. >> more on how his family a finding strength through love ahead. >> plus, on this sunday morning, as many of you head to church right now, we take a look at our culture, how it has changed and how we give back to society and faith instead of fear. "fox & friends" starts right now. good morning, everyone, thanks so much for joining us bright and early great to be back with dave briggs, i've missed you for the past couple of weekends. >> you, too. >> alisyn: and wonderful to have you in, kelly, in for clayton.
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>> it's good to be back in this chair. >> julie: you and i both have kids the same age, 30, 40 minutes away from newtown in elementary school in a town very similar. this hit very close to home for us and for a lot of people. >> you know, based on that point, if it can happen in newtown and it can happen anywhere, in a small rural community and haggerstown, maryland, an idyllic community, town of 30,000, just likes newtown, and people are mourning and weeping as they mourn for the teachers at sanry hook elementary school. >> just when you think you can be composed and keep it together and maybe the tears will have stopped, they put out the names and ages of the victims and even not knowing them, but just to read through their names and their ages is just wretching. we will show you some of their names now, the victims, there were 12. we'll show them later to you,
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basically 20 children and younger than we thought, remember that president obama and his first report that they were between five and ten years old. they were really just six and seven years old, all of them and it's also to know, we didn't know at the time, what close range they were killed. how good of a marksman this shooter was and we now know tragically they were shot many tim times. >> the mother of the shooter, nancy, was a gun collector and taught her son how to shoot and we'll be asking questions about this in the days ahead and all used in the massacre were tied, registered to her, and the shooter did try to buy his own rifle days before the shooting. he was denied. the schooling of the shooter also now we're learning about, kelly and he was apparently schooled through the system and somewhere with pulled out. and it it looks like somewhere around--
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>> we still don't know why he was pulled out of school and that's under investigation and apparently his mother thought it was best he was home schooled for a time and in high school many described him as being very smart, brilliant, but very much to himself and even reports that he always carried around a briefcase or something j. >> yeah, a black briefcase. >> strange behavior and people will continue to investigate that. >> people say they have a great amount of evidence and perhaps that will lead to some call for this, the big question that we have is why and that's a question that still remains to be answered. police are hoping that as they piece together the investigation-- >> perhaps because there's no connection between the shooter and the school. >> never attended the school. >> alisyn: i thought there were some reports as a child he did. >> he did not attend sandy hook elementary. >> alisyn: very interesting. >> and the mom did not work
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there. >> alisyn: and there were confusing reports, a teacher, substitute teacher and i read a report she was a teachers aide. there were some reports he had an altercation earlier in the week. >> with the school. >> alisyn: with officials at the school. >> i spoke with lieutenant paul vance with the state police yesterday afternoon and asked him was there a prior altercation a couple of days prior to this incident being carried out and he went on to say, we have no confirmation of that. he denied that it was happening, but apparently they're still investigating all aspects of this, but it was reported previously that perhaps it was an altercation, again, and lieutenant paul vance, new yorking that down. as we learn more about the victims of this tragedy in midtown community is coming together to support each other
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as well. ♪ emotional vigils continued tonight and today. and president obama will travel to newtown to meet with the victim's families and peter, what can you tell us. >> kelly, i can tell you that around here, it's still, it's very hard for folks to deal with especially since yesterday we found out that 16 of the 26 victims inside sandy hook elementary school were born in 2006, another four born in 2005 and there have been memorials popping up. and the park we're sang there. a group of sandy hook elementary school students in the school when it was
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evacuated, in the firehouse, they were holding a yard sale selling their toys and their things, trying to raise money for the affected families, really for their classmates. there have been many more folks in this area, lit candles and hung posters or balloons and many, many more have attended vigils and a very touching one last night for the 27-year-old teacher who died trying to save some of her students, victoria soto. >> the pain, how those mothers must be be feeling at this time. my only child, but i couldn't picture that and that's why i'm here today. because she saved so many kids' lives. >> reporter: i spoke with the parents of a student who saw mrs. soto get shot and they still haven't told their son about her ultimate fate because they think that after everything that's happened this week and everything else that he has seen, including
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some of his classmates being shot, that they think it's too much to handle at this time. and president obama is going to be here this evening for an interfaith vigil at newtown high school and he's going to try to help heal the community who seems to feel worse with every new piece of information that comes out. >> they were first graders, they were doing kids stuff. it's the kind of stuff you'd send your kids or your grandkids out the door out to first grade. >> and again, counseling will be available at a nearby intermediate school in the gym. we're told that there are grief counselors from across new england and therapy dogs and there's food, a memorial buildingen last night before they wrapped things up for the day, there were about a hundred cars in the parking lot.
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back to you in new york. >> alisyn: peter, thanks so much. given all the crushing pain for that community and everyone, it's always astounding when a victim's family member hung out and speaks with an open heart and speaks with generosity about the shooter and the shooter's family and that's exactly what robert parker did. his daughter was one of the youngest victims and her name was emilie parker, just six years old and he found his way through the crowd to the microphone yesterday and here is what he had to say. >> first of all, i'd really like to offer our deepest condolences to all the families who are directly affected by this shooting. it's a horrific tragedy and we want everybody to know that our hearts and our prayers go out to them. this includes the family of the shooter. i can't imagine how hard this experience must be be for you.
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and i want you to know that our family and our support you as well. my daughter emily would be one of the first ones that be standing and giving her love and support to all those victims because that's the type of person that she is. not because of any parenting that my wife and i could have done, but because those are the gifts that were given to her by her heavenly father. >> that's an amazing statement from robbie parker. you can see that he's definitely torn with the loss of his daughter. the oldest daughter and he went on to explain what kind of person emily is, she was an artist and she carried around markers and in fact, she just recently lost her grandfather and she would draw cards, she was a budding artist and she would draw cards for people who were in pain or agony to
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try to ease their burden and when her grandfather lying in the casket. she drew a card and puts it in the casket with a message of encouragement to her grandpa. and you see robbie's willingness to forgive, so powerful and so poignant for the times in which we live right now where we do need that, that precious balm of forgiveness and i remember talking about the same thing, but it's so hard, but when you bring a community together like this, guys being in connecticut now how close knit this is. and is an air especially new tourn, you expect this to happen. >> it's a small state. it's hard to say that i'd be this for giving and robbie, you hope never having to talk about his last words to his
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six-year-old daughter. >> she woke up before i left and i'd actually been teaching her pour geese before i left the last conversation was in portugese and she told me good morning, and asked how i was doing i said i was doing well. she said that she loved me and i gave her a kiss and i was out the door. >> alisyn: there obviously are 19 other victims, one of them is grace mcdonald, she was, i think, seven years old, possibly six all the victims were, and everybody talked how she looked like a little angel and a doll. piercing deep, deep blue eyes and beautiful blond hair and her family want today put out a statement saying we're overwhelmed by the outpouring of love and support from so many people. our daughter grace was the light and love of our family and words cannot express our loss. chris and jack, i believe
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their 0 other son, mcdonald. >> were there washing signs that adam lanza was planning such a crime. a fbi profiler will join us live. ♪ [ roasting firewood ] ♪ many hot dogs are within you. try pepto-bismol to-go, it's the power of pepto, but it fits in your pocket. now tell the world daniel...
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>> welcome back to "fox & friends" this morning. we're learning now information about the gunman who carried out the horrific crime. what were the warning signs if any and is it possible to forsee someone on the brink of creating such a crime. let's ask a profiler, mary, thanks for being with us. >> you're welcome. >> alisyn: adam lanza was described as being peculiar, a loner, a techno geek or a computer geek, but none of those things are warning signs. you say that people don't instantly snap. so, what should people be on the lookout when they think at that someone is a little strange? >> you're right, our experience and our research in
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the fbi is that people don't just snap, they don't wake up one morning and decide to carry this out. this is a crime that involving planning ap the planning includes getting the guns and practicing with the guns and getting the ammunition, and sometimes dressing up in the garb or the outfit that they intend to wear. all of that is warning behavior. there's also leakage, which is telling someone ahead of time directly or indirectly, and it may be even in the form of bragging or sounding like can you believe i'm really going to do this. other behaviors obsessed with guns or prior shooters like the columbine or the aurora shooter and as it gets closer to the events. it would become, they would become involved with just really focusing on their planning and how they're going to carry it out. now, someone clear across
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town, are they going to be aware of these warning behaviors? absolutely not. but is it someone that's going to be close to the shootser that will become aware that these behaviors are starting to manifest and bubble to the top? those are the people we want to come forward and say, i'm concerned about this, this is really more atypical. this person is becoming, is making threats and the warning behaviors are beginning to surface. we had a case very recently where the rather came forward to law enforcement and was concerned about her son because he had threatened to go into a movie theater and carry out a shooting similar to aurora, colorado so we know that these warning behaviors work when you identify them and you don't ignore them. >> dave: and i remember all the way back to the columbine, i was there every day as a student journalist and some might be too close to notice those things.
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if someone, a family member or a friend recognizes this who do they report it to? they don't call the fbi, who wants to hear these things and who can act on them? >> sure, they're not going to pick up the phone and call the fbi, we understand na, but they can call a teacher, they can call a resource officer in school, they can contact an adult neighbor. the parents of a friend of theirs, they can call someone that they feel will go and take that information to law enforcement, to someone who is able to follow through and evaluate that behavior and in every school now, for example, has behavioral intervention teams or behavioral assessment teams and on those teams are law enforcement psychologist and teachers and they're trained to look at that kind of behavior. the important point is, for people not to vet it themselves and say, oh, they're just kidding. they don't really, they're not really serious about that, please don't do that.
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bring it to people that do have the background, training and experience that can look at it and vet it. >> alisyn: sure. >> see if there's something there. >> alisyn: alert the expert. these are great tips and for people to be on the lookout for, you also say if they start talking with suicidal overtowns, not just becoming more obsessive, not just perhaps playing word games or dressing up, but ultimately, they're being self-destructive. >> absolutely. if they're talking -- and maybe in the past, they've spoke in terms of suicide as a way out, but that behavior now, in conjunction with the other ones i've just identified, now that behavior in terms of suicide aal ideatio. there's nothing left anyway, it's over. those comments in combination with everything else really together it's a cumulative
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behavior that's important. >> dave: hopefully the next one of these can be prevented. mary ellen o'toole, fbi profiler, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> alisyn: sandy hook elementary had new security measures in place, but the shooter smashed his way through the window. is there any way to make sure that our schools are safer? that's next. ♪
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>> welcome back everyone. thanks so much for joining us early today. it's great to have kelly with us. obviously, at this point school shooting and violence have reached epidemic proportions. and we have to figure out what to do, enough talking and obviously the grief is so strong we need to figure out and what's interesting, it
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happens more in the united states than anywhere else. we're doing something wrong. >> dave: yeah, of course there was a time when these things were not heard of, uncommon. now they're common and going back to columbine that's unfortunately where it started and geraldo rivera takes a look back at how this unfortunate and as unfortunate has become a trend. >> it was really kind of mayhem in the room, trying to find your kids and making sure they're safe and the situation and making sure everybody else is safe. >> friday's massacre in connecticut is among the the worst school shootings. >> it does not seem real, like it's even possible. you read it in the paper and see it in the news, oh, my gothed, that poor family and then you have something happen so close to home, i think i'm still in shock, to be honest with you. >> the latest in a dreadful series of mass murders,
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beginning with columbine, high school in littleton, colorado in april of 1999. 12 students and a teacher all murdered and 24 injured by classmates harris and klebold. >> and where we are, we're in the burbs for god's sake. this wasn't the place. >> and the columbine slaughter begins at # 1:19 and yelling go, go. >> at first i didn't know it was real. >> armed with pipe bombs and automatics and the pair targeting anyone and everyone, and after minutes ends in the library. and a 19-year-old expelled from his school in germany opens fire killing 13 teachers, two former classmates and a policeman. and donning a black ninja style outfit which has become the uniform of choice for
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these lunatics, targets teachers reportedly as revenge for his revent expulsion. five years later back on our shores the campus of virginia tech the scene of the worst ever slaughter of a school gunman on a u.s. campus. >> he opened the door and started shooting the professor and the classmates. >> and he kills 32 and wounds 15 others in two separate attacks. >> at that time we heard the gunshots and we could hear screams and it was, it was horrible and then we saw, as police just stormed the building and i was calling my friend to tell them like, wherever they were to stay put. >> two years prior, cho had been accused of stalking two female students at which time he was ordered to attend anger manageme management, diagnosed with severe anxiety disorders. >> based on that contact with the anxiety--
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>> law prevents virginia tech from understanding the severity. >> as i understand it, even the the parents cannot reveal or have that information shared. >> in finlands seven months later, another school shooting resulting in eight fatalities. >> it's very sad fact these happen. >> the perpetrator, a 18-year-old student who police say was frequently bullied, but who officials describe as a militant radical. >> the preliminary analysis we have, he's quite a lonely person. and he has a great anger against society and he expressed extreme radical thoughts. >> and he posts a photo of himself on youtube holding a gun in one hand and wearing a t-shirt that reads "humanity is overrated" which brings us back to newton. >> we were just in the middle of gym when we heard some gunshots and then the power went out and the gym teacher
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directed us to stay against the wall and everybody starts kind of panicking. we hear a lot more gunshots and the ambulance game, but then the police had husband r-- had us run out of the building to the fire department. >> kelly: and thank geraldo for that report, showing the m magnitude of how widespread this is. and the president of the united states even saying on friday there's too much of this going on and the president giving a list of places where it's affected us most deeply. >> alisyn: and that was scratching the surface, those were the most dramatic order of magnitude shootings, but i have a list here since 1996 where it started in moses lake, washingtons only went back to 1996. >> dave: before columbine. >> alisyn: and ten school shootings happened before columbine, and rough count 59
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in the united states. we have the preponderance of school violence and school shootings though they do crop up in other places. at some point soon, we all need to, as a country, have a real dialog as adults, an open dialog, everybody who has a discussion and needs to be able to talk about it. >> dave: everything on the table. from the depths of tragedy, one teacher hid her students and ended up losing her own life. her incredible story is next. ♪ ...and this, dancing in their heads... ...we have these. home depot gift cards. give the gift of doing, in-store or online. maybe you want to incorporate a business. orrotect your family with a will or living trust.
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all the students at sandy hook were six and seven years old. and last night you higged your kids and did so all night and we appreciate appreciate the teachers that teach our kids, they do it not for money, not for fame, but primarily the kids. >> kelly: and also they have an added responsibility in this day and time. >> dave: and they know it. >> kelly: they have to protect the children at all types and my wife is an early child teachers and she's encountered situations where she has to be extremely vocal and vigilant and provide security and sometimes being criticized for taking steps to provide that security. >> alisyn: that may not have been what they signed up originally and that's what they do. victoria soto, a 27-year-old teacher and exhibit a.
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so many what weem are talking about as a hero teacher. the details are vague, but did something in her classroom that spared the lives of her first graders and some reports that she hid them in a closet and the gunman confronted her as she told them they went down to the library, they're not here anymore and she provided cover and he killed her. and that's one of the stories and the other she used her own body as a human shield against the kids. we don't know the kids are again, six and seven years old and the details are coming out very slowly, but she did something that everyone in the town is celebrating. >> dave: and their unfortunate link to the story is the photo that everyone has now doubt seen with a woman his tashgically crying was her sister gillian and family and friends speaking out about the wonderful 27-year-old teacher that was lost. >> i didn't know her, but i'm a mom myself and it could have
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been my kids and what she did a very, very-- the pain, how those mothers must be feeling at this time, a child and i couldn't picture that, yesterday she saved the kids' life. >> i just hope that she's in a better place and she died a hero. >> that's an amazing story of heroism on behalf of this teacher and the president have talked about it and others talking about the scripture says greater love has no man than to lay down his life for fellow man. and she did this and a vigil in her honor, certainly not-- we would love for her to be here, and she made the
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ultimate sacrifice. as we talk about sandy hook recently hauling new security measures, they did. it was two years old, that's how new it was and the drills always went on and so, was in place months before this tragedy. >> alisyn: so can you ever protect and defend the school against a horrific act of violence like this? >> let's ask ken, the president of national school safety and security services, good morning to you, ken. >> good morning. >> dave: did this-- apologies. did this school, sandy hook elementary, it appears that they did everything they could to protect all of the students there. >> based on the initial information we have, they had access, control to the building. and lockdown procedures and teachers who were trained. there were a number of things that we teach as best practices in emergency planning that appeared to be in place and parents want to know two things, number one,
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what did you have in place, and how well prepared are you to prevent a crisis situation and respond to it, if it still occurs and unfortunately, some of these incidents are still going to occur. >> alisyn: ken, you know, i've heard people say that over the past 48 hours and it sounds a little defeatist, i don't know if you feel the same way. well, if somebody is evil or hell bent on killing people, there's nothing you can do. i'm sure as a school safety expert you must think that concrete steps that everyone should do and maybe they could thwart this? >> and we have to try. i'm the father of two elementary kids and as a father, i want 100% guarantee that my kid's going to be safe. as a school safety professional, i know we can't get to 100% guarantee, but we need to try to get as close as we can. we've trained school officials. they have basic security measures at least, reducing
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access, screening and challenging strangers, having crisis teams, working with law enforcement on active shooter training and making sure that you have lackdown drills and evacuation procedures and be familiar with the situations with parents and employees, that may spill over into the schools. but i think the real problem we face today, is we have some serious, undiagnosed and untreated mental health issues in our society and it's extremely with these lone wolf factors as we know from the shootings in the malls and theaters elsewhere, when it could cross your schoolhouse doors. >> kelly: you look at the situation with sandy hook and we know based on reports that the principal of this school was very, very adamant about having security in place, so much as to actually carry out drills in terms of how to respond and what to do in case of the emergency and that might have been the very thing that actually saved some
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additional lives, there are reports that when this shooter forcibly made his way into the school building, a janitor ran throughout the school alerting people and someone had the sense to turn on the intercom so that the kids ap the teachers throughout the school could actually hear profanity and cursing, knowing that something disturbing was unfolding. so, all the security measures were in place so what else could have been done? >> well, we'll see in the upcoming days if we get additional information to show there are other things that might have been done and if we lose one kid, it's one too many. i think that the crisis planning procedures na you described, kelly, and the fact that the principal and the psychologist reportedly ran to the gunman, charged the gunman speaks unbelievable amounts about our educators that are willing to put their lives on the the line. i think that we have to have the procedures in place. we train school employees to
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do the drills and to diversify those for things so that you're just not trained to follow a script, but most of all, down to the diligence, determination of the adults to protect their kids and i'm not sure that we could have heard of any more diligence than what we heard here in the last few days. >> alisyn: you're so right. ken, it sounds like everyone here at sandy hook did exactly what they were trained to do. thanks for all of the tips today, and those are all interesting. you of course are the president of national safety and security systems. thanks. >> it's very frustrating, ali, thank you. >> dave: all right, coming up inside the mind of a mass murderer. what could cause someone to kill. dr. keith ablow here next. ♪
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>> welcome back. authorities still have no clue as to a motive. as to why a 20-year-old went into sandy hook elementary school, shot and killed 20 children. but they say they have good evidence for what causes someone to commit a mass murder. psychologist and member of the fox news medical a-team, dr. keith ablow joins us this morning from boston. good morning to you, doctor. >> good morning, good morning, how are you. >> dave: we don't know a whole lot about this 20-year-old. what could have been in his past that could at all scratch the surface to explain the horrific shooting on friday? >> we don't know a lot, but we do know that he had a diagnosis of some kind, whether it's asperger's syndrome or something else, or whether this was a misdiagnosis needs to be
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established. it also has to be understood why he would have been given firearms by a mother who didn't safeguard those firearms from her disturbed son and who removed him from the school because she felt he wasn't well-served there. what was that? was that her commandeering his existence or serving him in a special way? what were the injuries early on psychologically that led this young man to then leave such horrible evidence of what i presume to be his own internal sense of having been destroyed? i think that's what we may see. we also see evidence of a mental health care system in utter disarray here, because that's what our mental health care system is, completely unreliable, understaffed, too little expertise, not knowing which way to turn with someone like this. >> doc, inevitably the gun control argument has begun.
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i don't know if there's enough said, the mental health system in this country. how does it need to change? >> this has nothing to do, i promise this has nothing to do with gun control. these were legally bought firearms, held by a women who bought them at stores, not gun shows as far as i know. the mental health system in america we've pushed down the lowest level the expertise that should be highest level. we have kids like this and worse, who already expressing violent fantasies being treated by newly minted social workers who have never been schooled in introspective techniques and training, and why? insurance companies will pay only them. we have their medicines prescribed by nurse clinicians. why? because the insurance company won't pay psychiatrists to do that work. we have no connection between our crisis and our community
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mental health systems and our police, our judiciary and our hospital. we have people in e.r.'s who are psychiatry residents and psychiatrists who don't literally know who to call if they have a psychiatric patient come into the e.r., who is expressing violence short of murder, but for whom they're terribly concerned. we still have all kinds of experts, quotes, unquote. psychiatrists and social workers and others who believe when they say he won't do it, get to the e.r. after they sit in a psychiatrist's office i do intend to harm people and they should go home because they're quote, unquote, contracted for safety and the insurance company won't pay to admit them to the hospital. right now we don't have a mental health care system, we have a variety of clinicians poorly trained, not in any way integrated with no marching orders with what to do with the potentially violently ill. >> myself a parent of three, i'm astounded, time and time
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again, the parents are missing obvious warning signs and one of them may be the violent video games we've heard so much about. i've mentioned that i was covering the columbine shooting many, many years ago. and those two shootsers were playing some of violent video games that have far evolved over the years and we've heard about in latest shooter, having played some fantasy weapon related video games, how big a problem are they? and what do parents need to know? >> i think the whole waterfront has to be looked at here, from violent video games to the desensetization of people through everything from facebook, where you create false friends and fictionalize your profile, to obviously, these video games, but beyond na, let's look at the whole of the things involving technology that remove us from our feelings, that destroy our capacity for empathy and for the fragile among us, it can
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completely annihilate that capacity for empathy and then let's look at the personal. this mother armed her disturbed son with weapons of mass destruction, with the semi automatic weapons, what short of woman we should talk about, we should know, is this an intensity personal family drama in which a person was created without empathy or something else. >> and we certainly need to look at the age group from the late teens to mid 20's, thank you so much for your insight this morning, we appreciate it. >> absolutely. >> right back with the special coverage of this tragic shooting when "fox & friends" continues. this holiday, share everything.
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>> welcome back everyone, you just heard keith ablow, dr. keith ablow talking about the
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the gunman's mother. we know that she was a gun enthusiast and she was a gun collector. she had guns in her home and there are reports that she took her son to the shooting range and helped train him to shoot. there are other reports, to flesh out the picture of this man from family members who said she was an incredibly dedicated loving mother that she would sacrifice anything for her children, when the public school wasn't working out for her son she took him out and home schooled him for a large part of high school. >> it's so hard to believe and police are looking into it to find out why adam lanza would take one of the weapons his mother purchased and use it against his mother and reports are he shot her in the face and nen left her and went to sandy hook elementary school where the carnage unfolded and the family is speaking about it and we must point out the mom and dad were divorced in 2009. the father has been speaking
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out and issued a statement with regard to this tragedy, expressing what the family is going through. but let's listen to marsha lanza right now. >> nice kid, good kid and challenges in the family in house, when they have one, i have one, but never in trouble with the law, never in trouble with anything. i know she had issues with school. she mentioned home schooling him and she battled the school district and what, to not 100% certain if it was behavior or learning disabilities, i don't know, he's a very, very bright boy. if she did she wouldn't have tolerated it. if he needed help she would have gotten. even when they were married, and if the kids had a need, they would definitely fill it. >> dave: and that phrase there, battle with the school district, why? was it because as reported the
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child had asperger's, they couldn't find help for him or behavior. and why have three guns and your child access to them, when they're clearly not hunting types. >> alisyn: we'll read the father's statement as well and we'll talk to a good friend of the sandy hook principal, tragically killed. who she was, how much she loved her students next. ♪ ♪
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connecticut. will we ever get answers as to why this all happened. >> dave: and a mourning father puts on a brave face to share the memories of his little girl lost. >> she was the type of person that could just light up a room. she -- she always had something kind to say about anybody, the love and strength she gave us and the example she showed us is remarkable. >> dave: an incredible message of forgiveness is coming up. >> kelly: and the stories of heroes emerging from this tragedy. a principal so dedicated, she ran towards the gunman, trying to save students. a friend of dawn hochsprung joins us this hour. "fox & friends" starts right now. now. >> . >> kelly: welcome back, everybody, thanks for joining us. obviously it's with heavy hearts that we're all here this morning and we know from all of you, communicating with us, via twitter that the whole
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country is devastated and people say that they can't stop crying and we certainly know the feeling and kelly wright it's great to have new for clayton today. >> kelly: i wish i was here under better circumstances, but it's good to be with you. >> dave: the president will pay a visit to newtown tonight for a special candlelight vigil and unfortunately the fourth visit to the site after mass shooting from the president. now the the mourner in chief all too familiar a role for president obama. >> kelly: it's very difficult for him as we've seen from friday and saturday. it's difficult for all of us as the nation mourns. >> alisyn: just when you think that you can't hear any more information that will rack you again with grief, the names of the victims and their ages has been released and just looking through the piece of paper. even if you don't know them personally, see their tender ages was shocking. there were 20 children killed, as you know, and all of them were six and seven years old. and of course, there were six adults, also, killed alt the
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school and all of those were women. >> dave: as for those students, 12 were girls, eight were boys. all were shot more than once, these children, some were shot 11 times, clearly at close rounding and again, all of these kids, six and seven years old, first grade children. >> kelly: it's hard to fathom this and unimaginable and we also understand through reports and police coming out and giving us details of adam lanza having access to guns that his mother owned and we should mention that these were high target guns, high quality guns. >> alisyn: semi automatics. >> kelly: and police use these weapons and secret service had the weapons and his mother nancy was a collector of these guns and taught her son how to shoot. and nothing wrong with that, people train each other to use the guns and may find it as a sport, but this was a terrible scene that perhaps no one saw
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and police are putting together the evidence to find out what may have led to this. >> alisyn: and it's just more complicated because we now know that the shooter had asperger's syndrome, which is a spectrum of autism and no one knows it's linked to violence no history of leading to violence, but his brother said a personality disorder and why eyebrows were raised why he would have been taken with her to the shooting range and according to the new york post she regularly took him to the shooting range. and all of these answers have to come out, but people say that nancy lanza, the first victim, was incredibly dedicated mother and made sacrifices for her son and other son. >> dave: as we learn more about the victims of this tragedy and emotional victims honoring their memory continue. >> and the loss no really words to describe that, nothing you can say to them to console them, it's just, it's just something lost forever.
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>> and the vigils continue through the night and through the week and connecticut and certainly the country as well. and peter doocy live with more from newtown, connecticut. good morning to you, peter. >> reporter: good morning, dave. and we just got word in the last hour or so that an anonymous person from north carolina has donated 26 christmas trees, that's one for each students and each teacher killed inside sandy hook elementary school and they're set up on the road to the site of that terrible run, dickenson in sandy hook, in newtown, according to the local newspaper, one of the waist many folks around the country are paying tribute to the fallen and teachers and doan are of the christmas trees of north carolina, up the street. a group of students who was in the school when the shooting started, sets up a yard sale where they were selling their
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toys to passersby, trying to raise money for their affected classmates and neighbors. many, many other folks have been lighting candles and saying prayers and attending vigils, a very touching one a few towns over for the 27-year-old teacher who died trying to save her students, victoria soto. >> the pain, how those mothers must be feeling at this time. not only child, but i couldn't picture that, and that's why i'm here today. because she saved a lot of kids lives. >> the mother of the students who saw miss soto get shot, told me last night she still has not told her son about his daughter's fate because she says he loved his teacher, miss soto and he's already dealt with a lot this week. the president is going to be here later on today for an
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interfaith vigil at newtown high school. and the connecticut governor has been here every day comforting his heart broken neighbors. >> we can speak about what's really important and what can wait for another day. there will be time soon for a discussion of public policy issues surrounding yesterday's events. but what's important right now is love, courage, and compassion. love as it has poured in from around the world. >> grief counselors from throughout new england have descended on newtown at a school nearby, from seven to seven today, counseling will be continue and we've been told a lot of folks around the area have been taking advantage of those services. back to you in new york. >> alisyn: thanks so much, peter. we appreciate the update. we haven't heard from the families of the victims, obviously, too overwhelmed with grief to speak out if
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they ever will, but a couple have and what one father has come out to say has been beyond inspirational in terms of his strength. robbie parker is the father of one of the youngest victims, her name emilie parker, six years old and he came out to talk about his daughter and the compassion he feels for the shooter's family. >> first of all, i'd really like to offer our deepest to all the families who were directly affected by this shooting. it's a horrific tragedy and we wanted everybody to know that our hearts and our prayers go out to them. this includes the family of the shooter. i can't imagine how hard this experience must be for you. and i want you to know that our family and our love and our support go out to you as well. my daughter emilie would be
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one of the first ones to be standing and giving her love and support to those victims because that's the type of person that she is. not because of any parenting that my wife and i have done, but because those were the gifts given to her by her heavenly father. >> kelly: you know, when you hear that, you think how is it possible that a man who has lost his oldest daughter. he has three daughters, all under the age of six, emilie the oldest and take her off to school and you can't get back to her. you're powerless, you're hopeless and without hope and yet, this man talks about an amazing, an amazing grace and forgiveness, it's unthinkable in such a tragedy, but yet, this man has tapped into something that many people will have to try to find. they'll have to try the power. >> dave: not sure i could.
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>> kelly: and you have to understand this guy, for him, that is his way forward in finding his relationship right with the world, with god and with, even with the killer of his daughter. >> dave: and robbie, unfortunately didn't have to, but wanted to speak out about the last interaction he had with his wonderful young six-year-old daughter. >> she woke up before i left. and i actually had been teaching her portugese and so our last conversation was in portugese and she told me good morning and i was doing, i said i was doing well. she saithat she loved me and i gave her a kiss and i was out the door. >> alisyn: what a sweet, sweet father. there's another family, that of seven-year-old grace mcdonnell, they didn't want to come and speak publicly, but put out a statement honoring their seven-year-old daughter and they said we're overwhelmed by the outpouring
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of love and support for so many people. our daughter grace was the light and love our family and can't express the loss. and everybody talked about mou she looked like a little doll to people because she had such beautiful deep blue eyes and pretty blond hair and obviously, how much she will he' be missed. >> dave: i had on the show the stories of heroes emerging from tragedy, a principal so dedicated she ran towards the gunman trying to save her students. ♪ ...and this,
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morning. and tell us about your friend, this wonderful, caring and brave principal. >> good morning, yes. dawn was a very inspirational type of educator, her students, her friends, the teachers, the parents absolutely all adored her. >> alisyn: gerald, you know, we just m a school safety expert on last hour who said something i didn't know which was that some of the educators and principals are actually trained to challenge and confront strangers when they make it into the school. i didn't know that that was part of their training and it's one thing to say that you're supposed to confront a strange, but when that stranger is armed and in black riot gear, obviously, it's a much different thing. she could have gone and run the other way and barricaded herself in her office. is it surprising to you that she confronted the gunman? >> no, it isn't. dawn used to be a principal in our school system and after the columbine incident, dawn
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and i had several conversation ins regards to this type of situation with an active shooter and we basically played it out and had discussion the about the responsibilities of the students, the responsibilities of the educators and the administration. and we also had frank discussions about what our roles would be and it's no surprising that we-- that she did what she did. we actually sort of played this out one time and in having a real shooter and it's not surprising that is she would give up her life for her students. >> kelly: gerald, we understand that dawn was actually happy about the fact that she was able to bring her school into the modern era of being able to be safeguarded and protected, and putting all the measures in place to actually protect her students, her teachers, the staff. she was really, really adamant about that, and proactive about that. so, on this day, the fact that she sacrificed herself, what
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is the community losing in this wonderful leader who inspired so many teachers and students? >> yeah, she did take this very seriously, like i said, we had frank discussions and we've trained, we've practiced, and she knew that the health and safety of her children were absolutely paramount. i think that-- the thing that we need to come away from this was the fact that she actually saved a great many lives and take into actions that she did, that shooter had the capability of killing much more in this tragedy would have been far worse if it wasn't for her heroic actions, so, i think that that loss certainly is extremely heart felt and we're saddened, but in the other instance, it gives me great pleasure to know that she did what she was supposed to do and when we talk about these types of things, in our wildest dreams did we ever think that the conversation that her and i actually had would unfold into reality and
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then causing the loss of her life. she's truly a hero today. >> dave: we mention you're the first selectmen in woodbury and how is your community coming together around this tragedy? >> the first thing when this was unfolding was sheer shock and then it was horror and then it goes into heart break and as a community, we're coming together and we're all talking, we're grieving and trying to make some sense of the senseless and we're strong, we're a small community and we'll come together and get through this. >> dave: is there anything you need? i think so many people ask us what can we do? is there anything that people there need from our viewers and people across the country? >> yeah, i think aside from your thoughts and prayers, i think the one thing that, as i spoke with dawn we often talked about why people take this type of action and go into schools and shoot and take innocent lives and i think the thing we need to
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come away with this, once this happens, there's a great deal of discussion about mental stability and a lot of people knew they were troubled. and i think the thing that dawn and i talked about, we need to reach out to these people ahead of time and not turn a blind eye to them, recognize their difficulties, put a hand out, and this is the responsibility of any, every individual in our society. and i think if dawn was here, she would certainly be saying the same thing and i think that's what we really need is thoughts and prayers and certainly reach out to your neighbors. >> gerald, that's such a great reminder and a nights message, we talk so much how dedicated dawn was and a principal. and she also had a family. can you tell us about her family? >> yeah, just like her students she cared a great deal of her family and talked often of the family. she was a great mother, a stepmother, a wife and her family actually lives in our
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town, again, a small community and we would see each other in the grocery store and i continually asked her to come back and our thoughts and prayers to her family. >> kelly: gerald, before you go on, how do you continue as a community. >> we cry a lot, we talk a lot and we move on and we continue and we learn from some of the things that dawn has taught us. you know, again, we work very hard with our community to try to alleviate these problems with the things that we saw with this horrific tragedy, we're going to learn from this and going to bring this back to our community and take steps to make sure this doesn't happen again. >> alisyn: gerald, thanks so much for sharing your personal remembrances of your good friend dawn, we appreciate it. >> great, thank you so much. have a good day.
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>> welcome back. as the nation mourns friday's unthinkable tragedy. quiet town of newtown, connecticut is coming together for sunday mass to pray for their loved ones. >> kelly: and fox radio is live with us from newtown, connecticut from the st. rose of lima catholic church to provide us with more insights into this horrible tragedy
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that's unfolded and now grips the nation. todd, what can you tell us? >> good morning, gray skies, very somber day here and for the past hour, we've seen car after car arriving, the parking lot is just about filled up as folks gather for morning worship. as they're doing at church houses across the nation, people coming together to pray, to listen to their pastors and hoping to make sense of the senseless. now, this particular church has been a gathering place for those, here in this community to pray, to embrace one another, to console each other and they have some difficult days ahead. i think one of the more poignant moments happened on friday. the children of the church held their live nativity scene and sadly one of the girls who was killed in the attack on the school was supposed to be an angel in that production. and i want to share with you, what the minister of st. rose shared with reuters.
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he says of this little six-year-old girl. she was supposed to be an angel in the play and now she is an angel in heaven. guys. >> dave: yeah, todd, one of the things we were surprised by is one of the father-- one of the victim's fathers who came out and spoke not about anger toward the family of the shooter, but for forgiveness, which quite frankly astounded me as a parent of young children. is that the message you're hearing at the church there is it one of forgiveness or what are people saying? >> this is something amazing-- (inaudible) oh, looks like we're having some signal disruption there, we apologize for that, we've lost todd, he was going to talk about the possibility of what parishioners there might be saying this morning, as they go to church. >> dave: what would you say, kelly? >> i would have the same -- i would have the same philosophy or belief because of my faith
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in god, i would have the same kind of reaction that robbie has, it would be difficult to express that, and painful, i mean, viceral. you and i have children, i even have grandchildren, some of those grandchildren under the age of six and it's so viceral and yet at the same time you have to have something that can make sense of it all. making sense of the senseless and finding hope for the hopeless and to me, only god can do that, no law in the land can do that and no he analogy of circumstances can do that, but my faith is my rock and my bed rock and we talk about amazing grace. that's what robbie parker has displayed in this, losing his oldest daughter, his love. >> dave: yeah. >> kelly: and then moving forward to say that i forgive, and from that forgiveness, he will find not only reconciliation, but also restoration and healing, it will never be the same, never be the same, but there will be
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healing. >> dave: well said. todd will join us later on in the program from newtown, ahead in the show. from the depths of tragedy, heroes are emerging. one teacher hid her students and ended up losing her own life. her incredible story coming up. . ♪ [ male announcer ] it's simple physics...
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>> they were terrified. they were terrified and they had just witnessed something and they were, they were terrified. terrified. >> it's most frightening thing i've ever been through. >> you have no words, sheer terror. >> it doesn't even seem real, it just not seem like it's even possible. >> and i kept hearing these booming noises. >> the children obviously were very shaken, they were crying in the closet. when they were leaving the police told them to hold hands and close their eyes. >> and they have their entire lives ahead of them. and first dates, graduations.gr.
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>> extremely emotional, but we thank you for joining us today, 48 hours beyond the tragedy unfolded in newtown and we are still -- i have to be honest here, all three of us are parents and so we go through the same things that other people are going through, sitting at home, perhaps, you know, saying, my god, what's next? what's happening? and we love our children and we are always proud parents and we our hearts go out. so from all of us at fox news i've got to say our prayer, condolences and support go out to the people in newtown, connecticut. >> alisyn: one. things we cling to during that obviously incredibly grief stricken time harrowing stories of people who braved the the danger and sheltered the kids and one of
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them is 27-year-old teacher victoria soto. and there are vague details because a lot has been reported by her six and seven-year-old student and it's not clear what she did, but she shielded them. one she quickly put them into a closet and confronted them and the gunman asked her, and she said i sent them to the gym. and lied to them. and there are reports that he started firing and shielded them with her body and she died and they survived. >> not just that, but to think of the teachers that teach at that school, your school, and all over the country and a good time what they do for your kids not just teaching them, but caring and protecting them the best they can. one of the photos is the sister of this 27-year-old
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teacher, that's gillian soto, there, obviously, upon hearing the news of her sister, some of those in the community talked about their wonderful 27-year-old teacher and here is what they said. >> i didn't know her at all, but i'm a mom and it could have been my kid and what she did a very very-- the pain, how those mothers must be feeling at this time because this is my only child, but i couldn't picture that, that's why i'm here today because she saved a lot of kids lives. >> i just feel sad that she's in a the better place. >> and one of the themes that has come up over and over again in the past 48 hours that we have been talking about this, as everybody tries to figure out what can we ever do to prevent something like this from happening again, how
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can we eke out some message here so that everybody else is spared grief and the common theme, it hasn't, quite frankly, been about gun control, it's been about the mental health industry and that something has gone wrong with these mental health in this country, particularly of troubled young men who then somehow gain access to weapons, for the lions share of school shootings has been carried out by teenage or young men and dr. keith ablow spoke in such a compelling and comprehensive way about all of this. >> we'll also see evidence of a mental health care system in utter disarray here, because that's what our mental health care system is, completely unreliable, understaffed, too little expertise, and not knowing which way to turn with someone like this. >> the mental health care system in america, we have pushed down to the lowest levels, the expertise that
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should be at the highest level, we have kids like this, and worse. who are already expressing violent fantasies, being treated by newly minted social workers who have never been schooled in introspective techniques, who don't deal with violence on a day-to-day basis. we have no forensic training why, because insurance companies pay only them. we have insurance companies won't pay psychiatrist to do that work. we have no connection between our crisis teams and community mental health centers and the police, our judiciary and our hospitals. we have people in e.r. who are psychiatry residents and psychiatrists who don't liteserly know who to call if they have a psychiatric patient come into the e.r., who's expressing violent ideas short of murder or for whom they're terribly concerned. we still have all kinds of experts, quote, unquote, psychiatrists, social workers, and others, who believe that if somebody says i won't do
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it, when they get to the e.r. after they sit said in a psychiatrist's office i do intend to harm people because they're quote, unquote, contracted to safety and insurance company won't pay for them to be in the the hospital. right now we don't have a mental health care system. we have a variety of clinicians, poorly trained, not in any way integrated, with no marching orders as to what to do with the potentially violently mentally ill. >> dave: you don't want to politicize this, but it's hard to imagine that system getting any better in the wake of our renewed health care system, how the health care system in this country has been made over. it's hard to imagine it getting better on that front over the the next couple of years. >> kelly: to this point though, there are some states that are being more proactive now, because they realize there are issues out there and when they hear of something, or there's a threat being made. maybe some paranoid schizophrenia behavior.
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they will, those emergency clinicians will make calls to people who are guardians and state authorities and say we think there might be a problem and check this guy out. we don't know what happened in this particular situation, but we do know perhaps there were issues going on and people talking about adam lanza as being a loner, someone who even went through high school very much alone, very smart, brilliant, but yet, visibly disturbed. so we don't know. we know that he gained access to the guns through his mother, nancy lanza, who was a gun collector. so, we have to find out all the details. police are still investigating, putting the pieceses together, but i think it's very key and telling what dr. keith ablow talked about and then on the fields of that, we interviewed a friend of the principal of sandy hook who gave her life in protection of her children and he went ton say that there's mental issue problem. when he we asked him how does the community go forward.
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we've got to pray for the families, but deal with this issue. >> alisyn: everyone has touched on that. almost every guest, regardless of their field, how we have a mental health problem and said if you know a teenager that's feeling alienated reach out to them. >> dave: do something, tell someone. >> alisyn: in the meantime. we have a lot more information for you. the search for a motive, the police say they have very good evidence. what does that mean? what is their evidence? we'll try to get that for you next. ♪
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evidence. let's ask former homicide detective rod wheeler, good to see you, sir. >> good morning, dave. >> dave: what might that evidence be? >> i can tell you exactly what i think it is. let me take you back a little bit. you know, i think the school system, dave, was very familiar with lanza, and let me tell you why. i also think the police department in that community was familiar with lanza. look, this whole situation started months ago, it just didn't happen that friday morning. i believe, and this is all speculation, i'm not obviously involved in the investigation, but i believe lanza had made previous threats to that school as of recent. and why do i believe that? because as you know all the reports stated that the school recently had an elaborate security system installed. why did they have to system stalled? that system is unusual for the elementary school. the reason i believe they did, lanza had made some threats. why did he shoot his mother. here is why i believe he killed his mother friday morning, a family member,
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dave, has to have another family member probated if they're showing signs of mental illness. in order to have them probated by the court you have to put together collection of evidence, information, that's good evidence that the police department, the police chief was talking about yesterday when he said we have good evidence. what he was talking about is that the mother was probably starting to put all this have stuff together. lanza came in, lanza was upset. he couldn't believe that his mother would do this to him. and so, that's why he killed her, and then he went to the school. now, when he got to the school, dave, he couldn't get in, you know why? they had that elaborate security system they did not have the system when he first went to the school. and i think it started months ago, i don't think it just started this past week. >> dave: and just to be clear we have no word confirming any threats to the police, the school. >> that's right. >> dave: i live about 40 minutes away. my children's elementary
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school has a similar security system and that's not at all based on threats, explain what you mean by the process of being probated and what that exactly would mean for a 20-year-old and the mother? >> well, anytime a family member, dave, is showing signs of hostility of being violent and you want to try to get that person to their psychologist or make sure that they take medication, you have to present evidence to the court. evidence could be a letter from the school, if this guy had made threats to the school in the past, and all kinds of things and in order to do that you have to present that to a judge and then the judge will send it over to the police department and the police department will go out and then this'll arrest this person and take them to a hospital. now, going back to the security system. you're correct, all schools are locked down now, and all schools have some degree of security, but from what it sounds like, this school had a different system, a very elaborate system and they haven't said exactly what it was, but i do believe, dave, that it was the result of an experience with this guy, lanza in the past.
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lanza was not a person that they were unfamiliar with, and when i say they, i'm talking the police department, and think the principal. >> dave: what should local police departments be doing across the country if they get word of disturbing behavior, of young individuals like this 20-year-old? >> well, here is the reality, dave, and i've been on a lot of cases like this, where we have individuals. look, a family member will call the police because they'll say their family member is-- their relative is becoming violent and believe it or not, dave, it's nothing the police can do at that time unless the police see actual evidence at that time of somebody being destructive, we can't take any action at all. we have to advise the family member, you have to go to the court, take evidence and then the court will tell us to come back out and get this person. every police department, dave, in the united states operates the same way. you have to do it by way of the court. we cannot just take action, dave, again, unless we specifically see that person being violent at that time.
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>> dave: and we can say the police in newtown, connecticut acted very quickly. they were on the site within minutes of the first 911 call. rod wheeler, former homicide detective, we appreciate you being with us. >> thank you, dave. >> dave: up next, what pushed this 20-year-old to kill? is there even an answer or some people just plain innately evil? that's next. ♪ this is america. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day afr day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get heartburn in the first place!
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♪ >> will we ever get an answer to what caused this shooter to massacre children? is there an answer or are some people plain evil?
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>> a clinical psychiatrist at columbia university and the author of "the anatomy of evil", dr. michael h stone is here to explain. and you've written this book "anatomy of evil" and we've seen it shotter of piece of newtown. >> it did. >> how and why? >> what happened was heart breaking, shocking, horrendous beyond anyone's ability to encompass that and so it's an emotion that stirs up in us when we see something as horrifying as what happened in newtown, connecticut. that, and when someone says what happens, that was an evil act. that was an evil, terrible thing. it's what people in the street say, what judges say, what prosecutors say, what journalists say. >> kelly: even the governor of the state of connecticut. >> yes, it's a word that we use invariably for this kind of situation.
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when little innocent children are mowed down, you know, by a mass murderer. >> alisyn: and dr., we should let our viewers know you have studied 208 cases of mass murder, and speak more to this, not all massacre of children, but similar to this, but i'm surprised you're calling something evil, because i would think that the clinical mental health field that you are in would say that this is mental illness, this isn't evil. >> this particular fellow, i think, had a psychiatric condition. i think asperger's was a good name for it. he's somebody who was born genetically, incapable of forming close relationships with people, incapable of making eye contact, incapable of social reciprocity and all the science that we see in the book, and as a result, they're odd, they're marginalized they're peculiar, they can't make friends.
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so as time goes on and you get towards 18, 19, 20 when you're expected to have girlfriends and intimate relationships, and close buddies and so on and you can't because there's something weird about you, you tend rather than to say, oh, i guess you'll sort of an odd loner, i guess i just have to accept my lot and get on the internet and play games. no, you blame somebody. and the family says she's a dedicated mom and she sacrificed a lot, including, a career, and to give to her son she then home schooled. what makes you think-- >> i think she was probably more than connected enough, but as he would experience it, she may not at all have been connected enough, in other words, is he supposing you're born with a peculiarity, you
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need to be handcuffed to your mom so she's there enough. which is more than any mother could be or can be. and let's say he gets 90% of the attention and she gives 50%, which is more than most kids need or ever get. in his mind she's short changing him. so i suspect that she gave, probably double the attention that she did to ryan, the brother, or an average mother would give to a disturbed kid of this sort, but in his mind, it could be very different, how he experienced it and that's of course the determining factor. >> kelly: where do you see evil in this case? because there are skeptics who would try to disprove you, saying that evil does not exist, they're born under conditions and they have to deal with innate conditions. but where do you find the proof that evil does exist? >> evil is not something that comes in the sky and lands on
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you, certain people, like a black cloud that dissends on you. that's the wrong way to think about it. you think about the evil as the word signifying as emotions and all of the experience when we're confronted with something that is horrifying. >> kelly: and go into a dark place then. >> yes, and some people are born, a small number of people, knock on wood, are born with a predisposition to do the sort of thing if they have very little capacity for empathy, in other words, for the feelings and caring about the feelings of other people. psychopath, we use the term psychopath psychopath to characterize people who are callus, incapable of remorse or guilt. have no empathy and don't care about the fetals feelings of others. i don't think that adam lanza was a psychopath. he has the same capacity for empathy.
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a person like that, either type can mow down a group of children as though were you shooting tin cans on the fence. >> alisyn: doctor, it's great to have your expertise with us. thanks so much for coming in, a pleasure. >> kelly: when we come back, brand new information on where the investigation is headed today, and we'll be live from n new
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>> good morning, everyone, it's sunday, december 16th. i'm alisyn camerota. thanks for joining us this morning. what's happening at this hour, president obama is headed to newtown, connecticut to speak to residents of sandy hook school. and we're learning what
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happened, about the victims of this horrific massacre and we'll have a live report in moments. >> dave: more questions remain this morning about why this happened. were warning signs missed about the shooter? we'll have the latest on the investigation coming up. >> kelly: and the heroes of this massacre are coming to light. principals and teachers, who did all they could to protect students from the gunman, more on their bravery straight ahead. ahead. >> good morning even everyone, we appreciate you being here. and appreciate kelly wright filling in for clayton, heart breaking around the country. we have new information we want to share with you and bring to you because we know so many people want to know what happened, how it could happen and how we could prevent it in the future. >> dave: yeah, a lot of questions about the mental health care system in this country, how it needs to change with the new information coming out on saturday with the names of the victims were released.
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we now know there were 12 girls, eight boys among them, 20 children killed in newtown, connecticut on friday, all of them ages six and seven years old. >> alisyn: that part was so heart wrenching to read even just words on a piece of paper, names on a piece of paper. you'll remember the first information, even president obama had the information that the victims were between five and ten years old. and now we know they were all six and seven years old, all just part of, i believe, two different first grade classes. >> kelly: and we must not forget the teachers who were also killed in this tragedy and the heroism and the stories of how they actually, one teacher actually vealshieldg the students and one report she shielded students from gunfire and maybe hid them in a cupboard and confronted by the shooter and said they're all in the gym. and the gunman's father also commenting on the story. >> dave: we're also learning
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more about the gunman's family and the mother did have all of these weapons legally registered and all the guns used in the shooting at least according to one report were registered to the shoot's mother. and was pulled out of the high school and home schooled and we know he struggled with the school system and we don't know why, a battle back and forth between the school system and the parents of the shooter, we don't know why yet. >> alisyn: the father of the shooter, his name is peter put out a statement in which he said our hearts go out to the family and friends who lost loved ones and to all of those injured and are families briefi grieving along with those who were injured, our family is grieving along with all those who have been affect by this enormous tragedy and trying to
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find answers that we can. >> dave: they had been divorced for a couple of years now and the mother reportedly struggled mightily with that divorce, but she was the one raising this 20-year-old there in newtown. he also had an older brother, ryan, who we're told had stopped speaking with miss brother, somewhere along the line about two years ago. why? again, another question that certainly will come out in a couple of days, but today the president will visit newtown. i'm attend a vigil honoring the victims. we're also learning new details about the investigation, kelly. peter doocy is going to join us live right now. he's at the scene in newtown with the latest details what's been unfolding there in the past 24 hours. >> one of the hardest things to look at in newtown is the spread sheet provided by the medical examiner that lists the names and birthdays of the
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victims, many born in 2006 and 2005 and the the medical examiner says that everyone shot was shot between three and 11 times with a bush master semi automatic rifle and every o that medical examiner shared made this terrible crime even harder to handsel. >> they were first graders, into kid stuff. the kind of stuff you'd send your kids and grandkids to, first graders. >> federal agents today will visit local retailers at shooting ranges, trying to figure out who adam lanza knew and we did hear from adam lanza's aunt in illinois yesterday who told us that his mother nancy kept a lot of
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guns in the house for self-defense. >> and for self-defense, no other reason. they were not a violent family. they were not one to, you know, she had it definitely would have been for self-defense because she did live alone. >> 26 christmas trees, one for every teacher and every student who were killed inside sandy hook elementary school were just delivered and set up on the road to sandy hook, donated by an anonymous person somewhere in north carolina, the support nationally and locally for the victims and those families affected by this tragedy has been tremendous, but from what we can tell so far, it's really not making people feel any better just yet. back to you in new york. >> peter, thank you for at that report. and so much is going on in this community and we're finding is actually bringing itself together. and it has to in order to move forward. and you guys are from connecticut, how would you describe connecticut?
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what kind of place? >> well, i mean, newtown connecticut is you know, this very precious, beautiful little new england town. i spent a christmas eve going to a midnight mass there one time when i was a teenager and had been an intelable image for me since in my life. it was charming and beautiful and twinkling and church bells, it's that kind of town. >> dave: well, and connecticut to give you insight, people think of the east coast and think of new york and philadelphia and boston and connecticut is made up of towns like newtown, connecticut. it's almost entirely, 10, 20, 30,000 person towns like the ones that alisyn and i both live in. and many across the state and what it's made up of. and why we feel it could be anyone. >> kelly: and the culture there, knowing your neighbor and speaking of culture and mike huckabee who is a dear
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friend of ours and has his own program on this network, mike was talking about the role of god in our society as relates to our culture. let's listen to what mike was talking about on "fox & friends" here yesterday. >> yesterday, i was on neil cavuto and he asked me where was god and i said we've systematically removed him from our culture and schools, and i've been barraged by people who said if we have prayer in schools this would not happen. that's not my point. if we as a culture decided that we don't want to have values that we don't want to say that some things are always right, some things are always wrong when we divorce ourselves from a basic sense of what we would call, i would say, collective morality where we agree on certain principles to be true always, then we, we create a culture, not that it specifically creates this crime, it doesn't. but it creates an atmosphere in which evil and violence are removed from our sense of
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responsibility. >> kelly: can i just add quickly to that. at the expense of being barraged, i understand what mike is talking about here, we're cut the same cloth here. there was a time we had prayer in school and the only problem gum, chewing gum and too much talking in the classroom. today, we've got armed guards protecting our students, and we have guns in the school, that's a problem. >> alisyn: look, everyone today i think is casting about for theories on what could cause this, everybody is desperate to try to figure out how to prevent it from happening again. and mike huckabee believes it's the culture and we've heard people from all different walks of life and some people say mental health issues and some about guns. we need to have the conversation and crack the corrode. >> kelly: all of the above. >> dave: people on twitter saying that states are cutting
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back mental health care services and that's fnot going to make it better. we'll be live in washington next to talk to fox news sunday host chris wallace with more on the reaction from the president and from capitol hill. ♪ [ mother ] you can't leave the table till you finish your vegetables. [ clock ticking ] [ male announcer ] there's a better way... v8 v-fusion.
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>> the majority of those who died today were children. beautiful little kids between the ages and five and ten years old. they had their entire lives ahead of them. birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own. >> alisyn: the president at newtown, connecticut this will be the fourth visit to a city following a mass shooting. let's bring in chris wallace, host of fox news sunday. >> kelly: good morning, chris. >> i have to say i've been
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covering presidents and in the briefing room at the white house more than 30 years and never saw a moment like that of that kind of sheer emotion and brought forward how terrible this particular one was. >> kelly: i have to agree with you, when the president spoke and even now, still grips he me emotionally, because here is the commander-in-chief now serving as a consoler in chief and he really showed raw emotion and took a minute for him to hold that back and actually move on with his statement. >> well, that's right and as he said, he was not responding as a president, but as a parent, he of course the father of two young children and i don't know that you have to have children, but if you do, and if you remember those days when you sent them off to school as six and seven year olds with all of their bright hopes and learning to read and
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learning to add and subtract the idea of them being struck down is particularly awful. >> dave: today on your show you have connecticut senator joe lieberman to talk about what happened at sandy hook and also some of the parents there at sandy hook elementary, i'm curious, chris, only because your show is one that typically deals entirely with politics, at what point do you feel that washington gets back to the business of avoiding this fiscal cliff now that john boehner has apparently reportedly float a proposal that would like a tax on those making a million dollars or more. there's not a lot of time, obviously don't want to appear insensitive, but not a lot of time before all of this changes and we do go over that cliff. >> look, a great nation can do more than one thing at a time, dave. and people here can absolutely feel as deeply as the president expressed there on friday about the laws, but all of us, you know, go about our
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jobs, go about our business, go about our lives and that's the job of the people here in washington is to try to find some way to avoid the fiscal cliff. as you say, there was a trial balloon floated this weekend, at first denied and then confirmed that speaker boehner is now giving in on rates, but not for people at $250,000, for people at a million, but needs to see something much more serious for the president on spending cuts. you say how soon do they get back to it? they have he got to be getting back to it right now because two weeks from tuesday we'll go over the cliff. that's one of the issues and the other is, there's going to be a couple of hearings, one in the house, one in the senate, about the senate department investigation into the benghazi consulate attack. and secretary of state clinton was supposed to testify at both of those, but now she's at the-- she had stomach virus, she fainted and that she suffered a concussion, so she will not speak to those--
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testify before those committees this week, her top deputy will. >> alisyn: chris, thanks for previewing what's on your show on this tough sunday. >> thanks. >> dave: and john kerry potential secretary of state? will he be easily confirmed. >> kelly: while we talk about secretary of state hillary clinton, all of our hope that she'll get back in tip top shape and that was quite a fall and hitting her head and her stomach virus nagged her and she had to cancel trips, but many questions getting back to where we are today about the state of our culture after this tragedy in newtown. is it just too violent of a society that we live in today? should this serve as a wakeup call for all of us to find some change? that's next. ♪
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>> i've been at this for a third of a century and it's my senseabilities may not be the average man's, but this probably is the worst i have se seen. >> kelly: that of course was the state medical examiner, a seasoned medical examiner reacting to the tragedy in connecticut and visibly showing his emotion as well. meanwhile, we're learning new details about the gunman, adam lanza, he may have suffered from a personality disorder it seems and apparently an avid video game player. so, is there something in our culture that could be to blame for this violence? that's the question we're asking now and joining us is former web point psychology professor, an author on killing. lt. colonel david grossman and
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thank you for joining us today. what would you say about this particular case? we understand that from former classmates of adam lanza that he was a loner. some described him as being smart, but kind of a nerd and not having many friends, but the friends he did have indicated that he played video games, deadly video games dealing with violence and would this have played a role in perhaps his psyche or his emotions? >> okay. the kids at the jonesboro middle school. virginia tech college, gave us that massacre on the island in norway, they gave us a mall massacre in aurora, colorado, jonesboro, columbine, virginia tech, this is just the beginning. what you saw in newtown is just the beginning. this is a sick, sick culture, sick movies and sick video games creating very, very sick kids.
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i trained military and law enforcement worldwide, i'm on the road 300 days a year training mostly cops, of our nation's leading law enforcement trainer go to www.get bullet-proof.com and i predicted this is going to happen. it's a trend. i mean, look at the past. jonesboro, columbine, virginia tech, and now this. and don't forget aurora, in belgium this sicko got in a day care center and hacked 12 mill babies in the crib. around the planet. >> kelly: colonel. >>g uncomfortable crimes, this is not normal, it's not normal for every kid in america to hunker down and kids come to kill them. >> kelly: colonel. >> it's not normal for every cop to-- to practice and go into the killing our kids. >> kelly: let me get in a word edge-wise for a moment. i see and feel your passion and i so much agree with you on the pain, but the point is, how do we move forward? i mean, what do we do in terms of addressing these video games that you're talking
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about. i don't want to mention their names, but there are games out there that really teach people how to kill, according to your reports and the reports from military and law enforcement. so, how do we get beyond this when these games are making multiple millions of dollars? >> it's an absolute raw beginning. and i outlined this in our videos to cops nationwide, www.get bullet-proof mind.com. i outlined it worldwide and we've got to enforce the rating system. m-rated game and ny 17 if you have parties and let the kids watch x-rated video games and let and have your kids sit and watch m rated video games. and nc 17, no child under 17, x-rated video games and sick, sick games and manufacturers say that children shouldn't be
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playing these games. >> kelly: parents should be more responsible then and proactive. >> and for the parents to be responsible they've got to be enveloped and we've got to tell them if you're playing these sick games and letting your children do it, there's all kinds of things adults can do, but can't. gambling, pornography, tobacco, alcohol, firearms, sex, drugs, automobiles. there are all kinds of things adults can do and children can't the and violent visual imagery. and we must enforce them. my child can play a video game. no, he can't. enforce the ratings. and this is the beginning, don't look at this in isolation and don't pull your hair out and forget jonesboro, columbine, virginia tech or massacre in aurora. look at them as a growing moving trend and it's going to get worse. i know how to teach people to kill, that's my job and the video games are providing the training, the desensitization
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and the conditioned responses, conditioning, and offers conditioning, being fed to children that's identical to what we do to military and law enforcement. >> kelly: colonel, you talk about training, what about those who are untrained. can they also watch these games and perhaps from that gather training and some sort of-- >> absolutely, these are point and shoot video games which rehearse the action of shooting and killing. you mentally rehearse the action of shooting your victims, shoot them in the head, shoot them all twice and we can identify the video game that the kid played in order to double tap the victims each and make them dead, but it doesn't take a lot of skill to walk up to a child and shove a gun in their face and blow their brains out what it takes is desensitization and conditioning to do it again and again and again, to do it in jonesboro, columbine and virginia tech what, do they have in common, they drop down and immerse in the sickest
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movies and sickest video games and guys, never forget i told you, this is just the beginning. we have raised a generation of children who have learned to kill and learned to like it. and when we get a sick kid in past years they were chewing gum and talking out in class. now we created sick kids and they're going to come kill you. if you're the parents who let the kids play the sick games, the bloods is on your hand and by the way you might be the first to die as what happened here. >> kelly: colonel, it's very sobering what you mentioned and sobering thoughts and hopefully people talking and taking heed and even host who may disagree. but take it to heart and there are so many things we have to discuss, mental health issues, faith issues, culture issues and even the issues of video games that teach children to be desensitized and that's lieutenant dave grossman former west point psychology professor and the author of "on killing." we thank you
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for joining us. well, as we continue our coverage, the stories of heroes emerging from the tragedies, a principal so dedicated, she ran towards the gunman, can you imagine, trying to save her students and her fellow teachers. we'll hear from a very good friends of the beloved principal. that and more next. ♪ ♪
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♪ welcome back everyone on this very sad day and we appreciate you spending the time with us
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and seeing the names juxtaposed with the ages, just, takes your breath away to see how young most of the children are. >> dave: all the children six and seven years old. difficult to see the names and far more difficult when you see some of the pictures we're getting to see when you really can picture a beautiful young six or seven-year-old boy and how difficult this must be for the parents and educators involved in newtown, connecticut. >> kelly: they were so full of life and had so many things to look forward to and sadly, that is not going to happen. so, when you look at the situation you're also looking at the teachers as well and the role they played in protecting a lot of their students with their own lives and the profile of the principal, for example, dedicated to her school. dedicated to education, this was, i would have to say, a teachers's teacher, a principal of principals who really cared so deeply, not only for her students and fellow teachers, but her
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community. >> alisyn: she had an active twitter stream and communicated with the parents and kids and one august 24th of this year, the first day of school she said, welcoming our kindergarteners this morning, 74 new opportunities to inspire life-long learning. we had a chance to talk with one of other close friends. >> dave: dawn hochsprung we're talking about and she went to the shooter to protect her students and before that, dawn was one that wanted to upgrade the security system at that school and imagined a situation eerily similar to what unfolded and prepare herself for what would happen. and she was the one who would confront a shooter. and we spoke to one of her close friends in woodbury, connecticut, gerald, about his close friend about a caring
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and dedicated educator. >> she knew that the health and safety of her children were absolutely paramount. i think that we, the thing that we need to come away from this is the fact that she actually saved a great many lives and taking the actions that she did. this shooter had the capability of killing much more. this tragedy would have been far worse if it wasn't for her heroic actions. when we talk about these types of things in our wildest dreams, did we ever think that the reality of this conversation that her and i had would actually unfolded into reality and then causing the loss of her life? she is truly a hero today. >> dave: she's also someone who wanted to have a lot of fun there in school. she started whacky wednesdays where the the kids would wear mismatched clothing although many of our kids do that every day. and she wanted everyone to wear mismatched clothing on wednesdays and she even participated and i'm sure that's a tradition that never
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went away at sandy hook. >> alisyn: she was beloved. and the kids who thankfully survived. how do they go about telling their children that the principal is gone. one mother of a fourth grader was grappling with that. >> he said everyone at my school are dead. i said, no, the kids-- he said the school is dead. and mrs. hochsprung is not going to be there and we'll know when we go to school and the school for me is dead and i think it's never going to be the same. >> dave: you do wonder what they'll do at that school and elementary school. certainly no school this week before christmas break and then time, but when will the kids be ready to go back inside a place they once thought was completely safe. no telling if they'll be able to do that again this year. >> you're right, dave. and this particular parent underscores the reason why you need so much grief counseling
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in that school, throughout the entire community because this entire community because of its smallness in population and close proximity to just being a close knit community, they're going to need a lot of help. >> alisyn: was columbine torn down. >> dave: no, stayed open, same name. >> alisyn: is that right? >> a very successful high school to this day. >> alisyn: and meanwhile, president obama of course stressing the need to come together as a country to mourn the victims of this massacre regardless of where we all live. >> elementary school in newtown, a shopping mall in oregon, a house of worship in wisconsin, a movie theater in colorado, countless street corners in places like chicago and philadelphia, any of these neighborhoods could be our own. >> and tonight, the president will attend a vigil in newtown, connecticut, travelling there this
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afternoon to honor the victims of course the 20 children we have been talking about. >> kelly: molly henneberg now from washington, with more details on the president's plan. good morning to you. >> reporter: kelly, alisyn, dave, good morning. today the president will convey the anguish of a nation as he travels to newtown, connecticut. the white house just announced the trip late yesterday. president obama will speak privately with victims' families and also thank emergency responders later today and then this evening he'll attend an interfaith memorial service honoring those who were murdered. in his weekly radio and internet address this weekend, the president mourned the loss of the teachers and children. >> while nothing can take the place of a lost child or loved one, all that can extend a hand to those in need, to remind them that we're there for them and pray for them and the love they felt for those lost not only just in their memories, but also in their communities and in their
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country. >> this is the fourth time since he became president that mr. obama will travel to a community reeling from a mass shooting. last year to colorado after a shooting spree in a movie theater. you see some of that video now. in 2011, went to arizona after a gunman shot and killed six more and shot congresswoman gabriel giffords. the president said the countries needs to take more action to pre he vent tragedies like this referring to more gun control laws, back to you in new york. >> dave: and the president was just here trying to console those suffering from hurricane sandy and still rebuilding this morning, so it hasn't been an easy time for the president in this region. >> alisyn: certainly. we do have two other headlines to tell, but right now. on the day of the connecticut school massacre, police in
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oklahoma believe it or not stopped another massacre from happening. 18-year-old sandy chavez was arrested on friday, police say he was recruiting classmates to lure other students into the auditorium where he planned to chain the doors and open fire. and he also wanted to put bombs on the doors to go off when police arrived. another student alerted police to that plot. and in washington on avoiding the fiscal cliff. fox news learned that speaker boehner, people making one million dollars a year. >> washington has had a spending problem that can't be fixed with tax increases alone. the president will step up and show us he's willing to make the spending cuts that are needed, i think we could do some real good in the days ahead. >> alisyn: so far no response from the white house on his offer. and we're going to have to keep waiting to get answers from secretary of state hillary clinton about what
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happened in benghazi on september 11th. she will not be able to testify this week in front of congress. clinton is it recovering from a concussion after fainting on a trip from dehydration she's been suffering from a stomach virus. two of clinton's deputies will testify in her place as lawmakers try to figure out what went wrong at the u.s. consulate leaving four americans dead. dave, i know you know the connection between the tragedies and the outpouring. >> dave: it is intersecting this weekend, the tragedy shocked the world and the sports world, not excluded. lebron james, and the miami heat observing a moment of violence before yesterday's game and some of the heats players even brought their children to stand with them to honor the victims of the senseless sebron james and dwyane wade among them and lebron writing the word newtown, connecticut on his sneakers. up north, in canada, the toronto raptors standing in silence before their games against the mavericks and this
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really will be scene across the country today asnal games all have a moment of silence. noi several teams, including the patriots, jets, and giants will all wear decals on their helmets and in the region, again, patriots, giants, jets will have special ceremonies honoring the victims. >> alisyn: and head coach, we should say, and take a look at our culture, how it has changed and maybe how it's to get back to faith instead of fear. and how we do that. >> such a who are ren did dust thing has happened and it's important to put it in the context of their faith. >> it's the only place to turn, to love. ♪ and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated.
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>> tomorrow will be the first school day, back to school after the horrific shooting in
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newtown, connecticut for many kids and even those who did not witness the tragedy or not involved could still be traumatized by just hearing about it. how can we as parents talk to our kids and help them cope with this. tom is a psychotherapist and a school counselor, it's great to have you with us, tom. >> thanks for having me. i think my perspective is unique considering i work as private practice as that therapist in a school system and i have young children in an elementary school. >> alisyn: you're the perfect person to talk to. let's break it down by age. for kids who are under eight years old. that's my kids and dave's kids. what should we tell them. >> kids under eight you need to insulate them from the problems and some parents feel the need to talk to their young kids about it, but i'm big on maintaining innocence, especially the young age and so many things that parents can do. just really, really be aware of what you're dealing with during the course of the day. you have the television on and watching clips of the
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connecticut shooting. turn it off. >> alisyn: so you can insulate them if they're under eight and never mention it, that's what you should do. if they somehow see on the news reports, then how do you talk to them. >> if they bring it up to you, talk to them. but you don't want to overdo it with them and don't want to instill fear on young kids we want our kids going back to school. >> alisyn: and answer briefly. >> at the same time respect their emotions, obviously. if they want to talk about it, go ahead and talk to them about it. >> alisyn: if your children are eight years old through 12 years old, if they're adolescents? >> that's the thing, you don't want to overdo, and probably talk to them and initiate with them and see how they are feeling. don't overdo and talk as you would to your husband or wife about it. you want to make sure they feel safe number one, and make sure as a parent your own anxiety. we feel the energy of others around husband and our kids will feel our fears and
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anxiety and our kids-- if we don't feel safe they're not going to feel save. >> alisyn: should they see you grieving or have a stiff upper lip. >> you don't want to shed tears around the house and create an atmosphere that's doom and gloom. to some extent. do it on your own. leyour husband be the one you're hugging. >> alisyn: and 12 years old and teenagers? >> 12 years old, these kids get it and understand. i think this is an opportunity now to maybe talk to them about it to see what they're feeling, to see what their take is on this problem and i think a component, too, throw the jokes around and be mature and drive home these young budding adolescents, this is serious stuff and not something to be taken lightly and have your kids do some community service, you know, have them take an opportunity to help out. and you know, make a difference in the world. >> that's a great one, a great one to turn the grief into action somehow and show them the way to do that. >> we're going to see a lot of schools doing this.
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the high school where i work, kids to be stepping up to the plate and hopefully good can come out this have. >> alisyn: and one of the issues we raised in the last segment, dave briggs raised this, should the kids go back to sandy elementary? >> i was talking about this recently, the schools are going to need to get creative. there are kids that will not be able to enter that school, their emotions are shot and minds, they've been exposed to this. it's not going to be possible so the school is going to have to come up with some sort after plan, you can't try to force these kids to go back to the school where they witness add traumatic experience like this. >> alisyn: in situations like this, i think that sometimes they do a name chaek of the school, sometimes an entire ven tu change, as ptsd for lack after better word. >> substantial ptsd, not a lightly treaded post traumatic stress. this is long lasting and deeply embedded and eliminate the trigger.
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the trigger could be approaching and seeing the building for many of the kids. they're not going to be able to enter the building i'm sure the officials or other school officials are already discussing measures how to handle this. >> alisyn: after a trauma like this, how long should kids take off from school. >> not an even to take off. we've had hurricane sandy, not sure if this school will miss a lot of school days, but the most important thing here i think is families coming together and schools should be secondary. get them back when the time is right and, you know, focus more on your family and being together and everybody dealing. >> alisyn: and tom, you're a school counselor and thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> alisyn: families, a lot of difficult road ahead as they try to come to grips with this tragedy and we're back in newtown next talking about the role of faith. ♪ this holiday, share everything.
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>> welcome back to "fox & friends" on this sunday morning. pope benedict xvi offering his prayers during this time of tragedy, speaking earlier today in vatican city. >> i was deeply saddened by the senseless violence in newtown, connecticut, and loss of child and closeness in prayer. >> dave: and more difficult days ahead. moments ago residents gathering for sunday mass at st. rose of lima catholic church. >> alisyn: and fox is there with more, hi, todd. >> reporter: good morning, services just let out and another service is about to begin. as the parishioners were
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leaving the church building the bells were chiming, jesus was a friend. and people here today, a very somber mood, but at the same time people are embracing not only one another, but their faith. and a few moments ago, we had the opportunity to talk with a member of the billy graham evangelistic association, they have a team of chaplains here, and here is what jack mundy had to tell us. >> emotions are all over the map with folks. ranges from anger, you name it, shock, denial, can't believe it's happened here, how could something like that happen in a little community like this and those are the people asked such as virginia tech, a quiet community in the shchandoshenandoah valley. it's not the community, but what's in one's heart and carry out an evil deed. >> their ministry to the first responders, those individuals
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at the school. many of the chaplains are retired firefighters, and we're being told they're well received in this community. >> kelly: and todd is giving us an update on what's going on in terms of the church aspect and the faith aspect, which is so vital. at a time when so many are gripped with fear, how do you find faith? and certainly the chaplains on the ground are helping them do that as well as the monsignors of the the catholic churches and other churches. >> alisyn: and all devotions are working overtime. he's one of the few people who are working to understand what happened in newtown. he was in columbine and his sister was killed. craig scott joins us next hour. ♪
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a sad morning, it's sunday, december 16th. we're learning the names and ages of the lives cut short in newtown, connecticut and hearing from their families. >> my daughter, emilie, would be one of the first ones to be standing and giving her love and support to all those victims. because that's the type of person that she is. >> we have more from this remarkable dad and his incredible message of forgiveness today. then will we ever get answers, how and why did this happen? we're learning more about where the investigation heads today, we're getting a live report from the police in newtown, connecticut. >> this picture has become the face of the tragedy in newtown. we know this woman's sister died
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a hero. shielding her students from the gunman and the stories of bravery do not end there. "fox & friends" starts now. good sunday morning, everybody. i'm dave briggs, alisyn camerota here with you trying to pick up the pieces and talk about the tragedy in ways and talk about the stories that did inspire people. it's a difficult morning for everyone in newtown, connecticut and across the country. thanks for being here. >> as president obama prepares to visit newtown this afternoon we're learning new details about the suspect and the investigation into if there is a possible motive or explanation behind this horrifying crime. >> peter doocy joins us live from newtown with the very latest. >> good morning, dave. a lot of folks in the area have been taking advantage of counseling provided at a nearby
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school. grief counselors from new england descending on the area to help these people heal but it's difficult to heal when you see things like the spreadsheet provided by the medical examiner yesterday listing the names and the birth dates of everyone who died. and 16 of the victims were just born in 2006. four of them were born in 2005, one girl, josephine gay turned 7, the tuesday before she died of the the medical examiner says everyone who died was shot between 3 and 11 times with a bush master semiautomatic rifle and every other detail that the medical examiner shared made this terrible crime even harder to swallow. >> there were in cute kid stuff. they were first graders wearing
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cute kid stuff. it was the kind of stuff you would send your kids or grandkids out the door to first grade in. >> now, we're hearing that there's no evidence that authorities have been able to find of any connection between adam lanza or his mother to gun clubs or ranges but federal agents will come and visit local gun retailers and shooting ranges, trying to figure out who adam lanza knew and if he left clues before friday about what was about to happen. we did hear yesterday from adam lanza's aunt, who explained why nancy lanza shall, the mother of this massachusetts -- mass murderer kept so many guns. >> they were not a violent family. if she had it, it was have been for self-defense because she did live alone.
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>> 26 christmas trees were donated today by an anonymous person in north carolina. they're being set up not far away from the school this morning. that's an example of the national support for the victims of this crime. locally just across the street, yesterday we visited with a group of students from sandy hook who escaped the school and you are lucky to to be alive. they were holding a yard sale selling toys, their own toys, to raise money for the affected families for classmates and neighbors. this is a town that's completely heartbroken and it's tough to tell how long it will take for people to feel better but it's going to be a very, very long time. back to you. >> peter, just to repeat that point, you said that survivors, the kids, were selling their own toys to try to help the families affected by this? >> they are. we actually visited yesterday -- we were driving by and saw a
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yard sale, two young kids that looked like the age of some sandy hook students. we stopped and apparently -- we talked to the mother and she said every year they try to do something for charity with the proceeds from yard sales, an annual family yard sale and they were going to call it off saturday because the whole area is so devastated. you drive around and you'll see a state trooper stationed outside someone's house for hours at a time and you know that means that is a house where a child who did not come home from school on friday lived. and then just a few streets over, these kids decided that they convinced their mom they wanted to have the yard sale to support those families of their classmates. and they were out there selling their toys. >> wow. >> peter, thank you very much. one of our viewers, teresa mack
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tweeted some of the sites, one is newtown memorial fund.org. i'll put that on twitter as well and allison will do the same on twitter. >> that's great. we had the school counselor come on, if you missed it, in the last hour who said one of the best ways to get your kids moving forward is turn their grief into action and have them do community service. >> that's what we're seeing. thank you for that report. it brings it home. these children are stepping forward along with the support of their parents as well as the community. what a touching thing to do for your community, so these are kids, 6, 7, and perhaps older, reaching out to help their community at a time like this. it shows that there's a healing process under way. we also have sound from the families as well. >> right, robby parker, who is the father of 6-year-old emilie parker, killed in the shooting on friday. he spoke out about his daughter
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on saturday and said something that surprised us and may surprise all of you. he struck a tone of forgiveness even for the shooter's family. listen to what robby parker had to say. >> first of all i would like to offer our deepest condolences to all the families who were directly affected by this shooting. it's a horrific tragedy and our hearts and prayers go out to them. this includes the family of the shooter. i can't imagine how hard this experience must be for you. i want you to know that our family and our love and support go out to you. my daughter, emilie, would be one of the first ones to be standing and giving her love and support to all those victims because that's the type of person that she is. not because of any parenting
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that my wife and i could have done but because those are the gifts given to her by her heavenly father. >> a picture "the associated press" has from the emilie parker fund facebook page might tell you parents a story, if you can take this picture here on my ipad on camera 3. that's on the facebook page for the emilie parker memorial fund. that's just a beautiful young girl. probably reminds many of you of your own kids. >> you can't believe how little they are until you see a picture and see their ages and hear the voices of the kids who survived. another family, that of grace mcdonald, she's 7 and they didn't want to make a verbal statement but they did write a statement they wanted everyone to read. quote, we're overwhelmed by the outpouring of love and support from so many people. x-rays was the love and light of our family.
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words cannot express our sense of loss and it's signed by lynn and chris and her parents, and her 11-year-old brother. >> for the vigil of victoria soto, one of the teachers. statements were made about her heroism and how much she loved her students and even sacrificed her own life for her students by shielding them from the gunman after she was confronted. apparently she heard what was going on. there are reports she perhaps hid the children in a cupboard and when the gunman confronted her, she told him they were not there. there are other reports she saw him and shielded the children. incredible moments of heroism. you look at robby parker and that capacity to forgive, having compassion on the killer and his family at a time when he's grieving for the loss of his own
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daughter. >> i think a lot of people, their initial reaction is so blame the parents and say how did they miss the warning signs and allow access to weapons to a young kid who is clearly troubled. to have forgiveness is unmanageable to me, but admirable. robby parker shared the last memories he had with his 6-year-old daughter. >> she woke up before i left and i had been teaching her portuguese, so her last conversation was in portuguese and she -- she told me good morning and asked how i was doing. i said i was doing well. she said that she loved me and i gave her a kiss and i was out the door. >> it's wonderful to hear from him. he's an inspiration obviously. dave, you're right, particularly at this hour, to have forgiveness. a lot of people work around to
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it with a big heart and magnanmy but for him to have it in 24 hours is incredible. he's one of the few people that understand what is happening and how they're feeling in newtown, connecticut. he survived columbine and his sister was killed. you will probably remember craig scott's face. he's going to join us to talk now. initiated. neural speeds increasing to 4g lte. brain upgrading to a quad-core processor.
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public policy surrounding yesterday's event. what is important right now is love, courage, and compassion. >> that was connecticut gordan malloy reacting to friday's tragic shooting. it will be a difficult healing protest for the families of the shooting victims in newtown. someone who knows this pain too well joins us. craig scott's sister, rachel, was the first killed in the massacre in colorado and he was in the school library during that rampage. thanks for being with us this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i remember your story vividly.
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the whole country does. you were a young man in those hours after columbine and you spoke out so compellingly and compassionately and poignantly and i can only imagine now how more reports of school massacres like this affect you. what happened on friday when you heard the news? >> like everyone, just extreme sadness and brokenhearted. i knew that i especially felt for parents who lost their children and how devastated they were going to be. also it just -- it also just made me think about kind of where my generation is as far as what our values are and even the spiritual condition of our generation. because i look at the last few shootings that happened all from guys in their 20s, and it made me angry. >> craig, i was there for the weeks that followed at columbine as well being from denver, i
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unfortunately covered that. i'm curious about what you said about your generation and values. what needs to change? what is your message to people in their late teens, early 20s? what does need to change in terms of priorities and values today? >> every week i'm all across the country spending time with teenagers and people in their 20s at colleges. and i think that we -- as a generation, have to ask ourselves as americans what do we stand for, what do we believe in? because there's a war culturally in our hearts going on today i think. there's a lot of dark things that i think these shooters and other people are tapping into. so much violence through the media and dark stuff over the internet that they're influenced by living that online lifestyle.
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i just think where is the respect for life, the sanctity of life? i know that when i travel around and meet so many teenagers that whether it's at home or at school, they're not -- they're not growing up in a culture where they learn about what are the values that they're going to hold onto that are important. and i think about this -- my father's generation, i know that no one in his generation would have dreamed of going into a kindergarten class and killing every kindergartener unless they were absolutely crazy. these aren't crazy people. they're -- they can think and rationalize logically, weather the shooting at the theater or this one that happened. so i think that when you have a culture where, if my generation embraces certain values and
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things spiritually, it's going to be like a light and -- and there's a lot of darkness right now and -- in our culture, in our generation. those are symptom of the i think -- some of the things i think about. >> we talked to your mom yesterday. she's so inspirational. she said the parents will some day, somehow, get past their grief. she talked about it will take a long time but some day you will be able to smile again. one thing she said that stuck with me is she thought you were going to be a casualty too. not literally but figuratively. there were two years that you were so grief-stricken that she thought you were lost. how did you turn it around personally? >> i went through a lot of depression and anger after the shooting. i hated the two shooters. i used to carry that anger with me, anytime someone talked about them or thought about them, it
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was like a black cloud enveloped me and i started to take it out on people i was close with. and it took time, but i eventually found that the way to not hold on to that was to forgive and let go. and a lot of times people don't understand forgiveness and thinking it's saying what someone did is okay. it wasn't that. it was letting go of the right to hate. i just knew that for me, i didn't want to be a bitter person down the road. and i think that with the people in this community, who have a right to be angry at what has happened, that they will think about who they want to be down the road and what they're going to choose to focus on. my -- some of the things that helped me was sticking together with my family and my faith. it really helped me heal
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mentally and spiritually. >> you talked about the speaking you and your family do around the country, rachel's challenge, which travels to schools to educate parents and kids. you talk about the code of ethics that your sister wrote before she was killed. not many high schoolers write a code of ethics. what is the message that your sister would want you to continue preaching across the country? >> well her message was to step out of your way in compassion for other people, to show kindness and start a chain reaction of kindness and compassion. she went out of her way for people that were on the outside, people that were hurting. she had a heart for these people. that's the same challenge we give to teens and colleges and even elementary schools across the country. we see students accept that challenge as they hear about a teenager and we present to them
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a role model of someone who believed that she could make a difference through simple acts of kindness and feeling for other people. >> well, craig scott, your sister and you have been real lights in the darkness of these terrible tragedies. it's wonderful to speak to you. thanks for bringing your inspirational message. >> thank you. >> we'll tell you where to find more information on rachel's challenge o.j. on line. -- on line. what could have prompted him to carry out that attack? questions all throughout society we'll explore next. have a knack for giving the perfect gift? they put real thought into it. and find just... the right...thing. how do they do that? more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot.
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when the tragedies like this school shooting strike many are left to wonder why it happened
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in the first place. our next guest says it's the culture in america. >> joining us, james hearsten. hi, james. >> good morning. >> i don't have to tell you the united states has had more school shootings than any other country in the world. what's going on in our culture? >> our consult, particularly our pop consult, is extremely violent. just recently jamie foxx who spoke out, hoe has a violent movie coming out, that hollywood bears a responsibility with these kinds of events. i think what we have to look at is a whole host of media but particularly video games. because video games are interactive, video games involve all the senses of the modalities of learning and there's been a recent study out of australia that shows video games are addictive and there are social
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consequences to it is addiction. they get into a state of isolation that feeds the addiction, they retreat into an online world. and technology has now made video game violence more compelling because it's realistic and people are designing these games to literally teach the players how to maim, how to murder, with great brutality and sadism. the problem is parents are sometimes unaware of the delivery systems with the new technology and unaware of the content of this material. so it's a great concern. but the media as a whole is polluted with this kind of gratuitous, explicit, detailed, graphic violence. >> we were talking earlier in the show and discussed the fact there are some measures in place, for example, warning
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labels about the graphic nature of the violence and parents should actually monitor their children. is it important at this point to drive that home to parents that they should be aware of what their children might be getting involved in with the video game or watching on television? >> it is more critical than ever in our time with this technology that parents are informed and that they're involved. as you point out, there are wonderful ratings available, the entertainment software ratings board for video games is a nonprofit, self-regulatory body that rates these. the violence is prevalent in lyrics to songs. it's prevalent on television. it's prevalent in the movies and video games and they all have different rating systems. it will really help if there were a uniform rating system that was simple, clear, and easy to understand for parents and children.
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harvey weinstein recently called for a summit on violence in the aftermath of the littleton theater shooting. it's time for a summit where all media participants take part, that people involved in the music industry, music industry, television industry, video game industry, get together and they come up with a clear understandable rating system that helps parents in this critical time. >> james hearsten, you've made a convincing case this morning about one of the things that's wrong in our culture. thanks so much. >> it's my pleasure, thanks for having me. >> something we've been talking about. next, a live update from connecticut state police. we're learning new details about the investigation. amid the devastating tragedy, this picture leaving an indelible image as our nation mourns. now we know this woman's sister died a hero, shielding her students from the gunman and the
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stories of bravery do not end there.
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behind every one of those names and ages, a family that desperately loved all those kids and adults you saw there. it drives home the tragedy of all this when you see the ages next to their names. many victims are turning to faith today for comfort. >> in front of the st. rose of lima church in connecticut where hundreds have been attending services and another one it
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taking place this morning. good morning, anna. >> good morning, to you and good morning to everybody at home. through the newtown community makeshift memorials are popping up. many say pray for sandy hook church services. many are memorial services honoring 20 innocent children and six adults who lost their lives friday. many residents feel as if they have no way to help the families except through faith and prayer. >> it's an unimaginable loss. there's no words to describe it. there's nothing you can say to console them. part of them is lost forever. >> last night hundreds gathered for what is normally a saturday night children's service at st. rose of lima church. some parents who lost their children mourning with neighbors taking a break from planning funerals. after standing room only
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service, some school age children put on a living nativity scene reminding residents life goes on. >> i pray god will heal these people. we have two young daughters and i can't imagine what it must feel like. >> people across the country are trying to make sense of the tragedy. the oak creek wisconsin community that lost a half dozen worshippers in a temple shooting held a service remembering what they went through in august and living up prayer for connecticut. president barack obama is scheduled to visit the sandy hook community today, the fourth time he's visited a town in morning following a mass shooting. >> thank you. over in italy, at vatican city, the pope talked about this as well, paying special honor that in his homily in the masses at the vatican expressing his sadness and regret. when you look at a situation like this, we're trying to find
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answers and we don't have answers. police are trying to put everything together but there were heroic teachers who acted so bravely to save the lives of their students. so many of them coming their rescue. >> victoria soto probably one of of the best stories to emerge out of the horror there at sand hook. she was 27 years old, a dedicated young teacher, a beautiful young gwhat she appark all of the students and -- these details are still emerging. from what it appears she told her students to go in cubbies or cabinets and went the shooter approached her, she told the shooter her students were gone to the gym or library and paid for it with her life but protected the entire class. >> even people who don't know her heard the story of how her first graders were able to survive so at a vigil, people
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were talking about her. >> i didn't know her at all, but i'm a mom myself. and it could have been my kid. what she did is very brave. i respect her. >> the pain, how those mothers must be feeling at this time, because this is my only child and i couldn't picture that. that's why i'm here today, because she saved a lot of kids' lives. >> i hope one day he'll know she's in a better place and she died a hero. >> there's also an iconic photograph that caught the attention of the country. a grief-stricken young woman, we now know this is jillian soto, the sister of vicky, who we assume is receiving the news of her sister's fate. >> they had a vigil last night.
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we had had principal and school psychiatrist that went after -- or confronted the shooter. they gave their own lives as well. >> we do have a little bit of other news. let's get to the headlines. on the day of the connecticut school massacre police in oklahoma stopped another massacre were happening. 18-year-old sammy chavez was arrested friday. he was recruiting classmates to lure other students into the auditorium where he planned to chain the doors and open fire. he also wanted to put bombs at the doors to go off when police arrived. another student alerted police about the plot. >> you could be looking at the new secretary of state. foxfox president obama is expecd to nominate john kerry for the job. he would replace hillary clinton. while you were sleeping, now progress in washington on
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avoiding the fiscal cliff. fox news learned speaker boehner has proposed a tax increase for people making $1 million a year or above. he previously stood fast on the issue unless there was compromise. >> washington has a spending problem. they can't be fixed with tax increases alone. the president will step up and show us he's willing to make spending cuts that are needed, i think we can do real good in the days ahead. >> so far, no response from the white house to this offer. the tragedy of newtown is of course mourned by people across the country, across the world, from times square in new york city, people holding candles and signs. to people in los angeles, praying by candlelight, lining the beach in rio de janeiro with mourners lying flowers in the sand. in pakistan, children sending messages of compassion, lighting candles on the streets in
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tribute. it's reminiscent of 9/11. >> wow. when you get that kind of reaction globally, it underscores the pain we're feeling here but how the world focuses on what's happening here in america. we've got to ask the question, what's going on? >> a lot of conversations yet to come. watch "fox news channel" tonight, 6:00 eastern, where bret baier will bring special coverage of the president's visit to newtown, connecticut. ed henry is traveling with the president and we'll bring you the latest from there. >> next, a live update from connecticut state police. we're learning new details about the investigation. to the best vacation spot on earth.
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welcome back to sunday morning. it's supposed to be one of the most joyous times of the year but families in newtown, connecticut and around the country are dealing with this tragedy. with christmas one week away, how do you are he store faith in god? >> joining us, father johnathan morris. great to have you here. have you been in touch with people in newtown? >> i have. i'm not going today because i have my services in new york city. but when things calm down, when the shock begins to wear off that's when more support, friendship, closeness needs to be there. i and so many others will be there. >> we talked about our reaction to robby parker, the father of young 6-year-old emilie parker,
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who was his oldest daughter, he has three. we certainly understand him reaching out to the community, but he also went so far as to forgive. explain to me and all of us why forgiveness is so essential and what it shows not only in terms of his forgiveness but god's compassion. >> i saw that interview and he was blown away. his ability to forgive is not just natural virtue, a good guy. but he understands, he believes, that there is ultimate judge and that is god. he said in such clear and profound language we all have free will. we can choose to use it for good or bad. this young man abused his free will. then he said i'm going to use my free will for the good. when you have that profound conviction of who i am, where i have come from, where i'm going,
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ultimate judgment, it's easier to forgive. that's a gift. it's a gift of faith. and we should be praying for every single person who doesn't have that in these tough times to get that. it's a profound, wonderful thing. >> what is the role of faith and healing? and maybe in preventing further translation around the country? >> that's an excellent question. we can talk about, like our previous guest, the cultural issues. all this takes a place. i have great respect for james who talked about that but in the end, not one single factor will put somebody over the edge. we recognize there's mental health issues, a culture of death, including video games and other things, also when the soul goes dark, when the soul goes dark, that's when those other factors begin to add up to
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something tragic like this. that soul going dark in my opinion is one someone no longer has a purpose for living. when humanity is not worth that much, if you're not loved, you cannot love. ultimately if you don't know you're loved by god, in my opinion, then it's going to be very hard to love yourself and other people. >> that's a very good point because when you read about understanding purpose and what you're talking about is very key, because we've talked about evil, we've talked about the psychological and mental illness, but when a person loses purpose, they're a lost soul and the darkness is hard to penetrate. >> we're all looking for purpose. even i as a priest, i'm still looking for purpose. you look for purpose. every day you have to find what does god want from me?
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i make a challenge to those listening today. at this christmas when all these families will be suffering because they've lost their children, get down on your knees or some other posture before opening gifts, before opening gifts, my mother actually suggested this to me this morning, and to say a prayer with your children. however you can. if you don't know how to pray, you're not a believer, a moment of silence, of gratitude, but above all, to say thank god for my life, thank god for my loved ones. that's how we can celebrate christmas this year, mo profoundly than in the past. i bet some of these families will be able to do that themselves. >> that's so beautiful, father. what will you be saying in your services today? what can you say? >> you know, i'll be talking about it in a different way than if you were in newtown. we're a little bit didn't. i'll talk about how is it possible a loving and good god
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could allow this to happen. about the fact that god himself allowed his son to be murdered and stood by and cried as the earth was shaking. i'm also going to talk about that with individuals, because it's not just a question, a message that comes and goes but we have to deal with on a individual level. >> what i'm hearing from you, then, we're at a point in our society where paul the apostle talks about, there are perilous times where men are caught up with a lot of hate. dr. martin luther king says hate can't drive our hate, only light can do that and the church is the conscienceness of the world. >> i don't know if they're more perilous times than in the past. the government is keeping order
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in general society but i think in all of our lives there are perilous moments. for these families, this was the perilous moment. for all of us, as we get close to old age, there are perilous moments. our culture is more godless than ever before in the united states of america but it comes down to making decisions. am i going to live joy fully today? it comes in loving others and being loved. >> father, thank you for your messages. >> we'll be right back with an update from newtown, connecticut, in just two minutes. hey! did you know that honey nut cheerios has oats that can help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! wow. it's the honey, it makes it taste so... well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? be happy. be healthy.
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this is a fox news alert. we've heard from the governor of connecticut, the sandy hook students will apparently be back in school by wednesday. at least school will be open on wednesday. but at another location. no word on exactly where the students will be going to school or how many feel mentally prepared to go back but a the state and governor are trying to return to some level of normalcy. >> what they're doing is allowing the option for those that want to focus on something else. it's difficult in connecticut, we have lost a week because of hurricane sandy so they're trying to get the minimum number of school days on the caller. >> it's one of the best schools in the country. that was a profile the principal, to dedicated her life to education and giving her students the best and even
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giving the best in sacrificing her life for them. >> that's dawn hochsprung, and we've learned today while we were on the air that it was part of protocol that one of the things principals are taught with new safety measures is to confront and challenge a stranger. we've also learned from a friend of principal dawn hochsprung she did drills for the event of an active shooter coming into the school. we have her friend on "fox & friends" earlier about this. >> she knew the health and safety of her children were paramount. i think that the thing we need to come away with it the fact she saved a great many lives in taking the actions she did. the sure the had the capability of killing much more and the tragedy would have been far worse. when we talk about these things in our wildest dreams, did we
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ever think the reality of this conversation her and i had would enfold into reality and cause of loss of her life, she's truly a hero. >> truly a hero. she knew exactly what she was doing when she went after the gunman. >> i asked the first selectmen what they need and he said hopes and prayers. his first reaction was people need to look out for signs in the mental health community. say something, do something, if you see a disturbing 18-year-old, 20-year-old, talk to someone. >> if you know someone who is isolated, reach out to them is what we came away with. there's more "fox & friends" in just two minutes. t when i was i. i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.
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